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I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:34 pm
by drhay53
I'm not trying to be a contrarian or anything here.... I'm just trying to think through my options and maybe someone here has already been through this thought process.

I pay ~$56/month after everything with sonic for the fusion X1 (up to 10mb/s) service, which consistently tests at 6mb/s down and 1mb/s up. Over the last few years, as the streaming demand in my household has gone up, my bandwidth is now proving to be insufficient.

Doubling my sonic to the X2 is +$20/month plus $99 installation. So let's call that $76/month. Getting a bit steep for still likely pretty poor internet speeds (but let's blame that on the bay area and not sonic directly).

Now, the only two other providers that really are options are ATT and Comcast. ATT offers me the following plans for my address:
- up to 6mb/s for $30/month, 1TB ceiling, 1 yr agreement
- up to 18mb/s for $40/month, 1TB ceiling, 1 yr agreement

Comcast:
- up to 25mb/s for $39.99/month
- up to 100mb/s for $49.99/month

Obviously I don't know exactly what the random junk charges will be from those 2 companies, so the final bill will be considerably higher than the listed prices. But let's say they're similar to the 40% difference between claimed price and actual bill from Sonic.

My understanding was always that sonic was using ATT lines, and that one couldn't expect different speeds between Sonic and ATT. So should I consider the ATT and Sonic plans to be basically equivalent in expected speed? And if so, why does the Sonic 20mb/s plan cost so much more than the ATT 18mb/s plan?

Obviously the comcast plans are practically off the charts when compared to the DSL plans here.

I've had significant experience as both a Comcast and ATT customer in other areas of the country, and I will say that at one point I decided that I would never, ever be a comcast customer again, no matter the circumstances. Now, I have a wife who is pretty dissatisfied with her ability to watch TV and movies, who is in my ear to just take the speed.

So, I guess the question is this: it seems like in every scenario, I'm paying sonic considerably more for slower or at best equivalent speeds. I've always justified my sonic subscription from an idealistic internet freedom point of view, but is that worth such a large premium? What am I missing here and why should I continue being a sonic customer instead of switching to something that's more efficient with my money in one way or another?

PS I will add that the lack of ESPN streaming in Sonic effectively makes it even more expensive for me, as I consider it a huge negative of the service. Since I understand that cost to be included in the other services, it's even more perplexing what I'm paying such a high price for with Sonic.

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:30 pm
by danielg4
Even if you weren't interested in TV service you need to check AT&T's site for whether or not U-verse TV is available at your address: (Not DirecTV)
https://www.att.com/tv/u-verse.html
The answer will determine whether or not Sonic can provide FTTN service.

If U-verse TV (and therefore Sonic FTTN) is not available, then as a fellow Sonic customer, I can pretty much guarantee you that nothing but Comcast will suffice for WAF in your case. If you can get FTTN, you can stay not a customer of AT&T and still effectively have U-verse Internet. BTW, Comcast's hidden fees are considerably higher than Sonic's, even after Sonic's coming rate increases in February.

For another $20/month, Sling TV has ESPN:
https://www.sling.com/programming/sports

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:10 pm
by drhay53
edit: if U-verse isn't available does that mean the ~20mb/s plans aren't even available to me? I think that's what you were implying, right? But even after saying U-verse isn't available, ATT offers me the 18mb/s plan.

U-verse isn't available at my address, but ATT still offers me a 18mb/s plan for $40/month (effectively the same price pre-random-charges as Sonic's 10mb/s plan).

$20/month for sling TV is much more than the ($5? I think?) that an ISP adds for WatchESPN.... of course you get other channels, but if ATT offers me twice the speed and includes WatchESPN, for the same cost that I'm currently paying (pre Sonic rate increase for something that I will likely never see the benefit from), why shouldn't I switch?

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:20 pm
by danielg4
No, if U-verse TV (and only TV) isn't available, then Sonic FTTN isn't available, regardless of whether Sonic otherwise offers "20Mb/s" at that address. Please reread my post more carefully.

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:39 pm
by drhay53
U-verse TV is not available, but Sonic's interface offers me an upgrade to X2 at 20mbps and ATT offers me internet at 6 or 18mbps. Honestly I don't know the nuts and bolts differences of the offers under the hood, because neither offer is very specific about how they calculate the availability. Both services claim the 18-20mbps service is available to me. That would double my speed and still be a pretty decent upgrade.

The point is that the ATT 18mbps offer is the same price as the Sonic 10mbps, so effectively I double my speed for the same price.

Are you saying that neither Sonic nor ATT can actually offer an increase in speed because of the lack of U-verse availability (which presumably means the lines necessary for U-Verse still are not upgraded in my area)?

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:11 pm
by amayfield
Hello drhay53,

Thank you for taking the time to provide such eloquent feedback regarding your Sonic service and experience thus far. While our website doesn't report FTTN as being available at your location we may be able to manually order FTTN service for you. If you PM me your address I'll run a manual pre-qualification and then we can work towards migrating you over to FTTN.

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:10 pm
by danielg4
Just for completeness: If you get 6Mb/s on Fusion X1, your real-world speed on Fusion X2 is roughly twice that, or 12Mb/s, and in the absence of FTTN, AT&T can offer only the same technology under their own brand, regardless of what "maximum" speed they bill it as. So, 20Mb/s = 18Mb/s = really 12Mb/s. Sonic's lowest Fusion X1 tier is "10Mb/s" which is why X2 shows 20Mb/s for you. Depending on location, Fusion X1 could deliver a maximum of anything from less than a megabit to well over a hundred megabits, and X2 would be double the X1 at any given location.

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:59 pm
by drhay53
Apparently even though ATT says that U-Verse isn't available, there is a way for Sonic to get me on FTTN, so I should be able to get an acceptable upgrade at a good price that doesn't force me off to ATT or Comcast (shudder).

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:54 pm
by James
I'm in same boat as you are except that I have U-verse in my area, After doing my homework for 2 months now I found that the most cost effective service has to be comcast, So I just signed up with them I will try them for one year for $40 a month @ 100mb speed and 1TB monthly cap (I own my cable modem), Within a year if Sonic drops rental fees and started accepting third party devices and dropped phone service I will consider them if not my bill will jump to $65-$70 a month with comcast but still a good deal compared to 30-50mb speed that I would get from Sonic for the same price.

Re: I have become unsatisfied with Sonic as a service provider, but can't stomach the alternatives....

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:24 am
by mpdznr
Another issue with ATT to remember is they cap your monthly alotted bandwidth and penalize you if you go over. If you stream, you'll likely go over and get dinged with an overage charge.