Required Modem--Extra 16.3% - 32.5% Per Month?

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by klui » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:06 pm
Guest wrote:Now I see a company that looks like the others, lowballing the initial price and then adding fees that don't relate to the cost of supplying service. It's still a better deal for me at the moment, but that could change at any time, since the name Sonic doesn't seem to add any real value anymore.
Sonic has to play the game the incumbents have established. Do you really think people will actually sit down and think about the value Sonic offers compared to companies like AT&T, Comcast, and Time Warner? Most ignore the fact that these companies cap their transfers per month, have established systems to shape traffic, and intercept their customers' activities without authorization. They only care about the bottom line while the pot is slowly simmering, having their privacy rights slowly boiled away. It would be a good idea to review Dane's perspectives about how bandwidth should be treated instead of the standard ILEC's rhetoric of it being a precious resource. http://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/02/22/triangulation/ I hope it hasn't changed significantly, because once it does, then Sonic truly would have become just another ISP.

As long as the incumbents continue to put these policies in place while Sonic does not, Sonic will always add more value.

I don't like the policy of Sonic's mandatory rental and have voiced my opposition. But there's a lot of things Sonic is doing correctly. I think Sonic is one of the few ISPs that have their CEO actively participate in forum discussions making their customers feel more empowered. While there are several individuals who have voiced opposition to the rental issue, there has not been a poll to indicate how many of Sonic's entire customer base actually feel about it. It would be an interesting metric. But I would think a lot more feel indifferent about it than the vocal few.
by yevgenb » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:56 pm
This rental offering would work if it would work. I'm a new sonic subscruber and since the start if my service sonic can't get this pace modem to work without freezing or crashing 5 times a day! What a mistake - I was blaming att for loosing connection several times a week but their 2wire modem never had that sort of problems. And since there is no choice of modem looks like there is no-go anymore.
by dane » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:15 pm
yevgenb wrote:This rental offering would work if it would work. I'm a new sonic subscruber and since the start if my service sonic can't get this pace modem to work without freezing or crashing 5 times a day! What a mistake - I was blaming att for loosing connection several times a week but their 2wire modem never had that sort of problems. And since there is no choice of modem looks like there is no-go anymore.
Has the modem been replaced? If not, that would be the first step - just ring support on 611, and they can ship you one next-day!
Dane Jasper
Sonic
by anon » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:26 pm
Hi, existing pre-rental customer here. The solution appears to be simple, why not let those who want to avoid the rental fee buy the preferred modem from sonic? of course they would also be responsible for replacement once it's out of warranty, etc.
Do I care about the issue even though I'm not affected? heck, yes, and quite frankly, I agree with the other poster that this is the first issue I've seen sonic flub and it makes recommending sonic to other people more difficult. "Everyone else is doing it..." I assume sonic doesn't want to be just everyone so why follow? Peace.
by yevgenb » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:29 pm
dane wrote:
yevgenb wrote:This rental offering would work if it would work. I'm a new sonic subscruber and since the start if my service sonic can't get this pace modem to work without freezing or crashing 5 times a day! What a mistake - I was blaming att for loosing connection several times a week but their 2wire modem never had that sort of problems. And since there is no choice of modem looks like there is no-go anymore.
Has the modem been replaced? If not, that would be the first step - just ring support on 611, and they can ship you one next-day!
Thanks Dave,
Yes, it's been replaced already. 8-10 calls to support. Technician visit, everything - speed 8m down/1.2 up - good, but modem freezing and crashing. I would blame my own equipment but there is nothing connected besides pcs.
by dane » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:35 pm
yevgenb wrote:
dane wrote:
yevgenb wrote:This rental offering would work if it would work. I'm a new sonic subscruber and since the start if my service sonic can't get this pace modem to work without freezing or crashing 5 times a day! What a mistake - I was blaming att for loosing connection several times a week but their 2wire modem never had that sort of problems. And since there is no choice of modem looks like there is no-go anymore.
Has the modem been replaced? If not, that would be the first step - just ring support on 611, and they can ship you one next-day!
Thanks Dave,
Yes, it's been replaced already. 8-10 calls to support. Technician visit, everything - speed 8m down/1.2 up - good, but modem freezing and crashing. I would blame my own equipment but there is nothing connected besides pcs.
When this freeze/crash issue occurs, is the modem accessible at all, at http://gateway.sonic.net/ Do the LEDs show any signs of life? Have multiple modems exhibited the same symptoms?

I wonder if it's a loop issue, and these can be challenging, or a modem issue. If it's a modem issue, a replacement of the modem sure would seem like it should resolve it. But a loop issue (or issue with inside wire, or filters, or interference, etc) would not be resolved just by swapping out the hardware.
Dane Jasper
Sonic
by yevgenb » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:44 pm
No, during the freeze, the modem(s) are not acessible at all, not from my side of the network not from yours. That tells me that there is either a firmware bug in the modems or incompatibility with something in the backend. That brings ud to original topic - what to do with rented modem? What if I have bought it?
by dane » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:00 am
yevgenb wrote:No, during the freeze, the modem(s) are not acessible at all, not from my side of the network not from yours. That tells me that there is either a firmware bug in the modems or incompatibility with something in the backend. That brings ud to original topic - what to do with rented modem? What if I have bought it?
A good point. As it's a rental and part of the service, we will certainly to work with you until the issue is resolved. If you'd bought your own equipment, we'd test and demonstrate functionality, but you'd have to work with your equipment source on warranty fulfillment.

Please do ring support and continue to pursue a solution. They are a great team, and I appreciate your patience as they work to find the source of the issue. When it's resolved, please do follow up and let us know what the final root cause was!
Dane Jasper
Sonic
by Krys » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:13 am
That must be a joke! Change your price for the service you provide accordingly but don't try to pull off the scam with "renting equipment fee". What kind of rip off is that. People do pay attention and please do not think that others are just a bunch of idiots who will not notice that suddenly at the last page the cost of your service jumped a couple of dollars. I can understand the cost of service being $45 but I cannot understand someone telling me that I have to "RENT" a piece of equipment (that I really do not need) for extra $78 a year. Let's see, if I stay with Sonic for 5 years than that unwanted modem would cost me $390. Guess what, I can buy a decent modem/router for $65.
In the last couple of days I was trying to convince two of my friends to switch from At&t to Sonic. One day we went to Sonic's website so they could sign up but then we noticed the obvious rip off - " Equipment fee of $6.50/mo".
One of my friends called customer service to make sure that she would have to pay that fee even if she would use her own modem. The answer from Sonic's Rep was "YES, you have to pay" and at that moment Sonic lost two potential customers. And we all felt the same way, if the price for service was higher that would be OK but pulling off the scam like that makes a really bad impression about a company.
And because of that I will not recommend Sonic to anybody else.
by David Lee » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:10 am
Here's the solution:

Please just let customers make the decision of whether they want to rent or purchase. Right now, your advertised rate is dishonest, and that fact doesn't change simply because the other companies are doing the same.

Also, please let the customers decide whether they want the phone service or not. You can simply charge $40 for internet only... and customers can avoid the $6.50 tax.

Isn't it simple?
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