Fusion price increase and fiber expansion

Internet access discussion, including Fusion, IP Broadband, and Gigabit Fiber!
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by customerInExcelsior » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:56 pm
jwthomas wrote:I've been a customer of Sonic from back in the day when they had a small office on 4th St in Santa Rosa. They've made a few minor mistakes over the years but they've never been less than a provider of outstanding services on a day by day basis. Their competitors are giant corporations that seek to monopolize the internet access industry for their own advantage with little care for their customers. There are no Filipinos or Hindustanis answering your telephoned service requests from overseas. I should walk away from this because of a long delayed $10 price increase? Those who threaten to leave have no idea how lucky they have been to be serviced by a solid, honest provider like Sonic.
I buy into Sonic's mission, too - but I just don't appreciate the way they're doing it. Tesla built expensive cars to subsidize cheaper cars. Sonic is raising prices across the board to keep fiber attractive, rather than make it a premium offering. In the process, they are telling some customers, who have no prayer of ever getting anything faster than 6Mbps in the next few years, that they're enabling Sonic to roll fiber out to other customers. I feel for the other guy, but there has to be something in it for me, as well. It's not the $10 that hurts - it's the idea that my money is going towards something I will not get in the next few years.

I know what I'll be missing out on, but honestly, my other ISP (Monkeybrains in SF) has been equally awesome. I've convinced many people to sign up for Sonic, and I'll continue to do so where it makes sense.
by customerInExcelsior » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:24 am
pockyken007 wrote:you guys do realize that companies do increase prices ? ATT and Comcast do the same increases as well ... ( that's one of the main reasons why I switched from ATT along with 0 privacy and data cap ) .

Heck SF muni increases prices every year and yet people still use it even though an alternative would be to get a bike or a car depending on your budget ... this is the same exact concept .
I don't think people are that averse to price increases. I think we're mostly on the same page - a price increase isn't horrible, and honestly it's to be expected due to inflation; I remember when MUNI fare was under a buck! It's just that for some of us, our money is better spent elsewhere.

For example, in SF you can pay $35/mo for an 8Mbps link (minimum, symmetric) with Monkeybrains. You generally get 20-40Mbps. For those who don't care for phone service, this is a *LOT* cheaper. If you need phone service, get Cricket for $30/mo or Vonage for about the same - but with apparently much better quality than Sonic VoIP, from personal experience.

This reminds me of when a previous employer furloughed me. In such a situation, you could be loyal (like I was because of how well they treated me), or you could consider the benefits of moving to a more stable company (like I did much later). People are always re-evaluating the value of things in their lives.
by danielg4 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:36 am
customerInExcelsior wrote:If you need phone service, get Cricket for $30/mo or Vonage for about the same - but with apparently much better quality than Sonic VoIP, from personal experience.
As I mentioned in this thread a couple of posts ago, you can get non-VoIP phone service from Sonic for $10/mo plus taxes, and I don't see why you can't keep that while your data service is from Monkeybrains…
by steelgaze » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:35 am
danielg4 wrote:As I mentioned in this thread a couple of posts ago, you can get non-VoIP phone service from Sonic for $10/mo plus taxes, and I don't see why you can't keep that while your data service is from Monkeybrains…
By your own post, this will be 20/month soon enough.
by oddhack » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:17 am
pockyken007 wrote:you guys do realize that companies do increase prices ? ATT and Comcast do the same increases as well ... ( that's one of the main reasons why I switched from ATT along with 0 privacy and data cap ) .
The issue to me isn't that Sonic is raising prices per se; it's that raising prices makes their already unimpressive price/performance numbers look even sadder for most people not on fiber - while giving those people no indication whatsoever of when they might get fiber. Dane has been saying "real soon now" for so many years that there's no way I'll believe it until I see a Sonic truck on my street running cable. The only remaining justification to me is that I perceive Comcast to be an annoying and mildly malicious large corporation I'd rather not deal with - but when the price differential gets large enough, my reluctance diminishes.

Obviously there is some space of customers who are less sensitive to price and performance, or particularly well-served by some aspect of Sonic (no data caps, no snooping, etc.), or particularly ideologically driven to support Sonic no matter the bottom line - but it's no more convincing for those people to be telling me that *my* concerns are invalid than it is for me to tell them the same.
by Guest » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:02 am
oddhack wrote:The issue to me isn't that Sonic is raising prices per se; it's that raising prices makes their already unimpressive price/performance numbers look even sadder for most people not on fiber - while giving those people no indication whatsoever of when they might get fiber. Dane has been saying "real soon now" for so many years that there's no way I'll believe it until I see a Sonic truck on my street running cable. The only remaining justification to me is that I perceive Comcast to be an annoying and mildly malicious large corporation I'd rather not deal with - but when the price differential gets large enough, my reluctance diminishes.
Bingo. This is it in a nutshell. Dane, for the sake of your company and your employees, please take this comment very seriously.
by danielg4 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:00 pm
steelgaze wrote:
danielg4 wrote:As I mentioned in this thread a couple of posts ago, you can get non-VoIP phone service from Sonic for $10/mo plus taxes, and I don't see why you can't keep that while your data service is from Monkeybrains…
By your own post, this will be 20/month soon enough.
How exactly does my post say that? Here it is again:
danielg4 wrote:By the way, Sonic's billing department said that their new voice-only POTS service ($10/mo + taxes + one-time $150 setup) will not be subject to the rate increase.
Granted, the taxes make it that, but it doesn't sound like that's what you meant.
by steelgaze » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:02 pm
Woops, you're right. I misread it.
by customerInExcelsior » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:38 pm
danielg4 wrote:
customerInExcelsior wrote:If you need phone service, get Cricket for $30/mo or Vonage for about the same - but with apparently much better quality than Sonic VoIP, from personal experience.
As I mentioned in this thread a couple of posts ago, you can get non-VoIP phone service from Sonic for $10/mo plus taxes, and I don't see why you can't keep that while your data service is from Monkeybrains…
I don't see this advertised or announced anywhere else. The point is that after the $10 increase, cheaper and faster options may exist. For those limited to 6Mbps speeds and don't care for phone service, this may already be the case. I'm not trying to encourage others to leave - I'm merely providing an explanation/justification for why they would.
by merojonothappy » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:10 pm
this price increase blows. announcing it in a forum blows.
This is the second unannounced price increase by sonic.
as other threads noted, $3-$4 per MB.
am looking elsewhere.
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