It will echo our other product pricing, with both an "X11" basic version at $40, and a faster "X2" version for $60. Phone service will be included, just as with Fusion and Fiber.Guest wrote:Out of curiosity do you have a pricing plan in mind for using AT&T's existing FTTN service? Will it be fusion service + equipment rental only? Or is the pricing going to be higher?
Question about upcoming Bonding and Uverse Plans
Internet access discussion, including Fusion, IP Broadband, and Gigabit Fiber!
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Dane Jasper
Sonic
Sonic
To all of you on this forum waiting for the new offerings from Sonic, please be patient. I am confident that you will get your faster broadband within the next 2 months. I am probably just as anxious as you; but, we have to wait until they can adequately migrate all of their operations to the newer offerings. I would rather that they take their time and do it right than to rush it and we have all kind of problems afterwards. Hopefully, the whole thing goes down with minimal problems. By the end of April, hopefully everything should have have been completed and we are all satisfied customers. Let's hope anyways.
@Dane, I think it would be useful for all of us to understand the differences between VDSL2 and FTTN: What would the speed differences be, who'd be eligible, and what is it exactly and how does it work? At least I am a bit undereducated.
And also to chime in with what m2m3 said: I am very happy that after years finally several new technologies are coming. I talked to the AT&T guy outside our apartment yesterday, trying to get some idea when new services will be rolled out and he had no idea. He didn't even know what Gigabit is. Very happy to be with Sonic where I know people deeply care about moving things forward!
And also to chime in with what m2m3 said: I am very happy that after years finally several new technologies are coming. I talked to the AT&T guy outside our apartment yesterday, trying to get some idea when new services will be rolled out and he had no idea. He didn't even know what Gigabit is. Very happy to be with Sonic where I know people deeply care about moving things forward!
I'm curious as well.agav wrote:@Dane, I think it would be useful for all of us to understand the differences between VDSL2 and FTTN: What would the speed differences be, who'd be eligible, and what is it exactly and how does it work? At least I am a bit undereducated.
The only difference that I know of between these products is that FTTN is going to require a year contract.
I want to hazard a guess and say VDSL2 migration is probably going to come before FTTN product goes live.
Based on several threads on this site, here are Sonic's consumer offerings that I know of. Folks who are better at the details, please feel free to add/correct.
ADSL1 - resold AT&T DSL up to 6 Mbps. Works behind COs/RTs.
Fusion - ADSL2+, using AT&T central office infrastructure. Line cards are owned by Sonic and they have total control: Sonic.net IPs; no transfer caps; phone service. Up to 20 Mbps depending on distance from CO.
Fusion Bonded - same as Fusion but 2 ADSL2+ lines, both lines have phone services along with their implied fees.
Fiber - GPON, aerial fiber, up to 1 GBps down/100 Mbps up. Sonic owns the solution end-to-end.
New/Upcoming services
Fusion V2 - VDSL2, using AT&T central office infrastructure. All the features of Fusion. Up to 45 Mbps per line, depending on distance.
Fusion V2 X2 - 2 VDSL2 lines: one line has phone, one w/out.
FTTN (marketing term unknown) - resold AT&T U-verse. Up to 45 Mbps per line. Line cards are not owned by Sonic but they have some control: AT&T IPs; no transfer caps (yay!); probably won't be immune to bottlenecks created by AT&T QoS policies; VoIP phone service. This service will allow folks served by a remote terminal (RT) to get faster speeds than legacy ADSL1. Yearly contract required--I keep forgetting.
FTTN X2 - I'm not sure if this will be offered.
All X2 services need a new modem that performs bonding. FTTN will require a modem with AT&T's keys so it can authenticate on their network. Sonic is currently only allowing modem rentals for new/upcoming services--this goes against DSLExtreme's/AT&T's current policies where they allow their subscribers to purchase the modem.
ADSL1 - resold AT&T DSL up to 6 Mbps. Works behind COs/RTs.
Fusion - ADSL2+, using AT&T central office infrastructure. Line cards are owned by Sonic and they have total control: Sonic.net IPs; no transfer caps; phone service. Up to 20 Mbps depending on distance from CO.
Fusion Bonded - same as Fusion but 2 ADSL2+ lines, both lines have phone services along with their implied fees.
Fiber - GPON, aerial fiber, up to 1 GBps down/100 Mbps up. Sonic owns the solution end-to-end.
New/Upcoming services
Fusion V2 - VDSL2, using AT&T central office infrastructure. All the features of Fusion. Up to 45 Mbps per line, depending on distance.
Fusion V2 X2 - 2 VDSL2 lines: one line has phone, one w/out.
FTTN (marketing term unknown) - resold AT&T U-verse. Up to 45 Mbps per line. Line cards are not owned by Sonic but they have some control: AT&T IPs; no transfer caps (yay!); probably won't be immune to bottlenecks created by AT&T QoS policies; VoIP phone service. This service will allow folks served by a remote terminal (RT) to get faster speeds than legacy ADSL1. Yearly contract required--I keep forgetting.
FTTN X2 - I'm not sure if this will be offered.
All X2 services need a new modem that performs bonding. FTTN will require a modem with AT&T's keys so it can authenticate on their network. Sonic is currently only allowing modem rentals for new/upcoming services--this goes against DSLExtreme's/AT&T's current policies where they allow their subscribers to purchase the modem.
D'oh. Sorry, 1 Gbps, not 1 GBps.Guest wrote:Fiber - GPON, aerial fiber, up to 1 GBps down/100 Mbps up. Sonic owns the solution end-to-end.
There was mentioned also (I believe) 'X2' without VDSL2 capability, basically Fusion bonded as mentioned before but *without* a second voice line. If I'm reading things correctly.. that is available today for $20 additional per month (plus some additional monthly fee for bonded modem $3 ?). It is not recommended for people <5000 ft from the C.O. because VDSL2 is right around the corner for most people (April or sooner if I read correctly) and having to change equipment so many times in a short peroid will be painful as well as VDSL2 giving one's increased speeds without a $20 montlhly cost (just some as of yet undetermined one time cost).Guest wrote:Based on several threads on this site, here are Sonic's consumer offerings that I know of. Folks who are better at the details, please feel free to add/correct.
ADSL1 - resold AT&T DSL up to 6 Mbps. Works behind COs/RTs.
Fusion - ADSL2+, using AT&T central office infrastructure. Line cards are owned by Sonic and they have total control: Sonic.net IPs; no transfer caps; phone service. Up to 20 Mbps depending on distance from CO.
Fusion Bonded - same as Fusion but 2 ADSL2+ lines, both lines have phone services along with their implied fees.
My three week window to decide between staying with Comcast, or switching to Sonic or DSLXDan wrote:Comcast may actually be softening up a bit and their records disagree with mine, but in my
favor. I actually have four weeks to give notice instead of the 10 days I thought, and the
one year renewal does allow for a non-ETF exit, but requires 60 day notice. So I cannot
go month to month, but effectively quarter to quarter.
I was close to giving DSLX a chance, but I can hold off for three weeks and see if Sonix is
ready by then...
has come to a close. Price seems to be a wash between DSLX and Sonic. DSLX is naked, so no
tax/fees, but they charge for a static IP addresses, which puts them within a couple bucks of
the expected Sonic total. I suspect if/when the bonding products are available on the resold
AT&T product that Sonic would be a better value, and a no brainer if the option to go naked
is ever added.
I need to order the new service by this Friday, so I think my choice may be made for me, but
I can hold out hope for another couple of days...
What happens if you wait another couple weeks?
Dane Jasper
Sonic
Sonic
Two things change-
1. I have to give 60 days notice, meaning I pay for two extra months
2. Not a guarantee, but likely a steep rate increase due to previously waived fees expiring.
Both are really clerical limits. I need service installed by 3/23, but I have to give notice
by 2/23 if I want to avoid the extra costs. If there is a plausible chance that I can make
the 3/23 install date, I will give notice. Worst case if the install cannot happen is that I
have to scramble to cancel my cancellation or get alternate service. I just hate the idea
of setting myself up for what might be a lot of hoop jumping...
I should note that my primary motivation to leave Comcast is financial. The service is
fine, but a poor value. I expect to save 40% with comparable service (not counting the
expected rate increases), or perhaps as low as 20% savings if I can get faster service.
1. I have to give 60 days notice, meaning I pay for two extra months
2. Not a guarantee, but likely a steep rate increase due to previously waived fees expiring.
Both are really clerical limits. I need service installed by 3/23, but I have to give notice
by 2/23 if I want to avoid the extra costs. If there is a plausible chance that I can make
the 3/23 install date, I will give notice. Worst case if the install cannot happen is that I
have to scramble to cancel my cancellation or get alternate service. I just hate the idea
of setting myself up for what might be a lot of hoop jumping...
I should note that my primary motivation to leave Comcast is financial. The service is
fine, but a poor value. I expect to save 40% with comparable service (not counting the
expected rate increases), or perhaps as low as 20% savings if I can get faster service.
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